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Post by riverrat3 on Dec 9, 2013 13:03:25 GMT -7
Actually I caught 543 last year and yes I have proof and yes all 24 hr checks only difference is I used all lure no big bait piles
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Post by mitroll on Dec 9, 2013 14:52:06 GMT -7
543 coyotes on a 24hr trap check. DAMN!!! That is flat out astonishing. Not that I don't believe it because I do, but do you have any pictures? What was your best day? A guy like you is at a level of trapping accomplishment that is really hard to comprehend.  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 4:37:10 GMT -7
factor in time frame too, year `round or in a month. either way it`s a lot of coyotes. I`ve done the live deal and it`s more work and lots more skill than just whack and stack.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 4:39:04 GMT -7
and no he won`t have pics as live trapping you get 60-120 coyotes in cages and you are out of room. so you sell. and I guarantee live trapping is every 24, probably every 8 hrs on occasion.
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Post by riverrat3 on Dec 10, 2013 10:05:54 GMT -7
and no he won`t have pics as live trapping you get 60-120 coyotes in cages and you are out of room. so you sell. and I guarantee live trapping is every 24, probably every 8 hrs on occasion. Exactly |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 10:45:17 GMT -7
I take carcase pile pictures as no way I`m spending a day or more to put hides on a barn. plus they don`t make barns big enough. same way with live trapping. one time I had 462 live red fox on hand and 60 some coyotes. you can`t imagine the time just feeding and etc. it was insane and I never allowed that to happen again. oh I caught lots more, many years over a 1,000 but never all `live and on hand at one time.
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Post by riverrat3 on Dec 10, 2013 11:18:03 GMT -7
Not to mention the longer you keep live market animals the smaller your profit margine. Especially coyotes because they can consume unbelievable amounts of feed
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2013 11:35:28 GMT -7
and get elbow sores yadda yadda. everyone and their brother will sell them for $35 and knife a serious `live guy in the back. why I quit it, except for a few that don`t mind paying well. over the years it went from $150 unlimited demand to 75 to 50 to begging. thank goodness the fur market is better and now not at the `live buyers mercy. at least on the better western type coyotes. just another deal where trappers ruined it themselves, trying to see who could sell cheaper and lose the least money and still be standin. for me it got to where the only good prices were in the 100 degree summer market. come cool weather I had no intention compete with the $35 cripples non vaccinated, illegal, starved etc etc.
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Post by 9wire on Dec 10, 2013 17:02:18 GMT -7
We KINDA got it easier here... Live about 12 miles from two different pens. Can just haul em in the day we get em if we want to.
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Post by bsnyder on Dec 14, 2013 19:33:30 GMT -7
I have wondered often times about how big of a problem illegal non vaccinated animals are for live market guys. Is it just do to little oversight, like do you have to call a state to inform them you are selling x amount of animals to whoever? Is there any paperwork involved at all? I always assumed the paperwork burden fell on the buyer, if a trapper is taking animals off a legal licence by legal means can you just haul them live anywhere?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 4:21:43 GMT -7
OH BOY. YES TONS OF HOOPS AND WATCHED CLOSELY SO NO SLIDING. DESPITE DOING ALL THAT LEGAL, MOST OF THE LEGAL LIVE TRAPPERS ARE OUT OF BIZ DUE TO THE ILLEGAL BROTHER TRAPPERS AND THE BROTHER TRAPPERS SELLING SO CHEAP THEY HAVE GUTTED THE MARKET. MOST STATES NO LONGER ALLOW IMPORT OR EVEN IN STATE LIVE TAKING DUE TO PAST ABUSES AND CRIMINAL TYPE BROTHER TRAPPERS RUINING IT FOR ALL THE REST. THAT`S THE SHORT STORY. WHY i DETEST HOBBY TRAPPERS MASQURADING AS PROS. CRIPPLES, DOWNRIGHT INHUMANE ACTIVITY, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, BOOT LEGGING,NO VACCINATIONS OR PERMITS OR ANYTHING. PAY NO TAXES OR REPORT ANYTHING. SCUM OF THE EARTH.
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Post by riverrat3 on Dec 15, 2013 9:02:31 GMT -7
OH BOY. YES TONS OF HOOPS AND WATCHED CLOSELY SO NO SLIDING. DESPITE DOING ALL THAT LEGAL, MOST OF THE LEGAL LIVE TRAPPERS ARE OUT OF BIZ DUE TO THE ILLEGAL BROTHER TRAPPERS AND THE BROTHER TRAPPERS SELLING SO CHEAP THEY HAVE GUTTED THE MARKET. MOST STATES NO LONGER ALLOW IMPORT OR EVEN IN STATE LIVE TAKING DUE TO PAST ABUSES AND CRIMINAL TYPE BROTHER TRAPPERS RUINING IT FOR ALL THE REST. THAT`S THE SHORT STORY. WHY i DETEST HOBBY TRAPPERS MASQURADING AS PROS. CRIPPLES, DOWNRIGHT INHUMANE ACTIVITY, ILLEGAL ACTIVITY, BOOT LEGGING,NO VACCINATIONS OR PERMITS OR ANYTHING. PAY NO TAXES OR REPORT ANYTHING. SCUM OF THE EARTH. X2 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 10:08:08 GMT -7
THEY EVEN BEAT OUT DOG HUNTERS AS WORST OF THE WORST.
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Post by bsnyder on Dec 15, 2013 15:28:53 GMT -7
To bad for you legit outfits. Riding home from Greenfield last year it occurred to me that that when the live market thing took off you were already situated to be one of the largest producers having your trapping experience plus a DVM Licence. Glad it worked out for you while it did.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2013 16:13:10 GMT -7
it was great. literally "bought the farm". I feel like the mountain men that lived thru a time in trapping history that will never be repeated. I was blessed beyond measurement to have it all fall togather, the populations, the market and the knowledge and the go getem` to do it. most windows of opportunity in life only remain open for short periods. if one is available and sees the opening and takes it, well that`s how it works. by the time most see the open windows they are sliding shut. I was first in and last out and rode it the whole way. no regrets and no complaints.
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